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[Nov. 8th, 2005|03:04 pm]
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[blooming_cosmo]
Okay...for one I'm really happy that a community like this exists. I just hope I don't get as much backlash I get everywhere else I go. So onward to my rant!!



Okay, before you read, just keep in mind that I'm a major Tenten fan. Hence the topic of my rant, Tenten.

I honestly don't understand why that poor girl gets attacked so much by Naruto fans. I mean...I know not everyone is like that...I only find that a lot of Hinata supporters or NejiHina or NejiAnyone seem to do a lot of Tenten bashing. And I honestly hate it. My God, what the hell did she do to deserve such harsh words? Like I can understand if people don't care for her (I mean she is a minor character after all), but stuff like "OMG Tenten is a fucking bitch" and "Tenten deserves to be alone" and "Tenten is the most retarded character ever" really get me down...and especially angry.

In no shape and form is she retarded. The only thing wrong with her is that she doesn't get a back story and a last name. But hot damn, I mean so what? I think that makes her a more interesting character. And by no means is she retarded according to any databooks or even in the series. She does her best with what she's got. She may not be able to do rasengan or chidori and she might not be able to punch holes through people but her determination and arsenal of weapons should be respected just as other characters who have determination and their own special attacks get respect.

I hate how everyone just judges her souly on her one fight with Temari. She lost, big whoop. That doesn't make her any less of a fighter. During that time, had she been paired to fight with anyone else she would have handed them all their ass. Geez, everyone just happens to forget that Temari is older, and she has more experience. Geez, I mean even Post Time Skip she has a freakin Jounin position. Tenten gave it her all though. She didn't back down (no one backed down from their fight), but jsut because you only see her slung over Temari's fan doesn't make her a pathetic fighter. I mean did everyone see all the weapons scattered around? Tenten went all out whether people like to realize it or not. ANd I just feel sorry that people don't recognize that about her.

I also hate how people automatically assume that Tenten is Neji's fangirl/cheerleader. I'm sorry, but that's a big WTF from me. She, in no scene in the manga or the anime, has ever squealed or shouted things that would constitute her to be called a fangirl. If anything she only admires Neji's strength, just like she admires Tsunade's strength.

And what the hell is this all about Tenten not recognizing Lee? That's not true. In the manga, during the Forest of Death scene when she jumps down to retrieve Lee she even says herself "If Lee was by himself he would have beat those three." Does that sound like she doesn't recognize Lee at all? No...geez...she looked down at him when Lee was battling Neji because Lee was being annoying with his constant challenging of Neji. He'd challenge him blindly and lose. If anything Tenten was trying to get it through his head that he needs to do better then what he was doing to beat Neji. And words like that kept pushing Lee to do better.

*head/desk repeatedly* But yes, no one will probably care about this rant since she is only a minor character. Which is understandable. But I'd rather post it here then on places like narutofan where everyone has a biased opinion about everything and can't except characters for what they are. It's like a big slap in the face to people like Kishimoto who spend so much time developing characters and interactions between these characters and then have people complaining and saying how worthless someone is is stupid in my opinion.
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[User Picture]From: nayamashiimigot
2005-11-08 08:51 pm (UTC)
I agree with you. I like Tenten! I am a great fan for the minor characters...hell, my favorite female is Tayuya. And though I am also a major Temari fangirl, I don't think her losing to Temari makes her any less of a shinobi, or a character. I have always found her to be interesting, and a good character.

I completely can sympathize with "It's like a big slap in the face to people like Kishimoto who spend so much time developing characters and interactions between these characters and then have people complaining and saying how worthless someone is.." I, being a fan of Otogakure, and its nin, get this all the time. My characters were not as developed as ones like Tenten or Lee, but still...they deserve respect, just like any other character.

So...yes, someone does care about this rant. ^_~
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-08 09:15 pm (UTC)
Thank you, it made me feel better getting that out in the open XD.
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From: linkandluigi
2005-11-08 08:54 pm (UTC)
Okay, I'll start in saying that my Tenten-disliking is probably 95% taken from her fans. It was not Tenten that made me dislike her. It was her fans.

The other 5% of my disliking of her comes from the fact that she has seriously...done nothing. You can't even TRY to say that she's done anything because she HASN'T! I have here a list of everything Tenten has done made by a TENTEN FAN!! Someone who holds Tenten as her favorite character made this:

-Thought Sasuke was cute.
-Helped Lee to cheat in the first part of the exam.
-Believed that Lee could've defeated the Sound 3 on his own had he not been protecting Sakura.
-Shook Lee to hell and yelled at him for being stupid.
-Lost to Temari in Chuunin Exam preliminaries.
-In a flashback, it is revealed that she wants to be strong like Tsunade of the Legendary Three.
-Helped Neji to master the Kaiten.
-Explained how Kaiten worked.
-Invited Neji to see the new Hokage.
-Watched Lee and Gai training with interest.
*manga spoilers*

-Becomes a Chuunin
-On a mission with the rest of her team, bumping into Kisame.
-Lands an explosive on Kisame's sword, but he escapes in time.
-Gets caught in a water trap with Neji and Lee
-Gets freed.


If you can't say that's the worst list ever out of the entire series...well, I don't know. But it's pretty miniscule.

PS: She's a chuunin, not a jounin.
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[User Picture]From: cutemew
2005-11-08 09:06 pm (UTC)
lol that is an awesome list :D

BTW the original poster meant that Temari became a jounin. But we all know Temari's hella buff :D
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-08 09:06 pm (UTC)
And I haven't met many fans of Tenten who would make you hate her that much. Honestly if anything I find Hinata fans the most disgraceful, especially on Narutofan. I mean I like Hinata and all, but these fans go over the wall with her...and she has really done nothing herself except faint in front of Naruto and squeal Naruto-kun.

And Whoever made that list needs to be shot.

Tenten is a valuable asset to her team whether people like to believe it or not. With team Gai, Neji and Lee are both idealy close range combaters. Tenten sort of rounds that out by being able to do both close and distance fighting. Her role in the anime/manga is only support. And she does that quite well thank you very much. Had it not been for Tenten, scenes like the ones seen in episode 60-63 wouldn't have been possible (and those are some of my favorite episodes). Tenten was important when it came to developing Neji's kaiten, which is true from that list.

If anything she should be admired for her dreams and determination. Out of all the females she's really the one of the only one's beside Hinata that had a promising goal. She wants to strengthen herself. Her role model is Tsunade, and I personally think that's awesome that she wants to be that good of a ninja. Her ideals never wavered and she never cowered in fear in front of an opponent. I think that should also be respected.

PS: I didn't say Tenten was a jounin I said Temari is a Jounin Post Time Skip.

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[User Picture]From: cutemew
2005-11-08 09:10 pm (UTC)
HAYZ don't be dissin on t3h hianta fanzzssz!!!1l1lol

I lurve Hinata coz she's a diehard Naruto fangirl. LYK MEEZ
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[User Picture]From: the_loud_monk
2005-11-09 12:17 am (UTC)
I mean I like Hinata and all, but these fans go over the wall with her...and she has really done nothing herself except faint in front of Naruto and squeal Naruto-kun.

I don't like Hinata all that much, but I have to say that she has done some things for herself. She's proved her worth with Neji even though she lost, and tried her hardest. Sure she's pretty... annoying in a stalker!kinda way, but if you look past the whole Naruto obsession which doesn't leave that much really... she's has a lot more personality than ten ten could ever have. Not to be mean to TenTen or anything but it's true~ Especially when you include the fillers. Those episodes gave Hinata so much more personality!


I don't hate Tenten actually! Or like her. I'm just whatever~ She just amuses me in the naruto game when she makes that high pitched "WACHOOOOO (or some noise like that)" And jump kicks xDD it's so funny!! ♥
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 01:40 am (UTC)
Aww that makes me want to get the game.

And Tenten has a personality just not as much screen time as Hinata, which is what makes the ultimate difference between the two. But all well, that's life.
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[User Picture]From: raineyz
2005-11-09 07:46 am (UTC)
Sounds vaguely like Chun Li to me. XDD
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[User Picture]From: cutemew
2005-11-08 09:08 pm (UTC)
BTW SASUNARU = CANON LOLZ
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-08 09:21 pm (UTC)
XD, thanks for the comment about icons.

The thing is though, that she has done something. It's just not as big as others, but hell the show is called Naruto not any other character.

Don't worry about couplings, personally I'd rather no one get paired off in the end. If anything, Kishimoto should just keep hints and that's it. Nothing should be established in the end cause it will just cause a never ending war T-T

It's okay if you don't like Tenten (and my intention wasn't to bring NejiTen into this rant or anything). I just dislike when people just completely write her off as a terrible ninja, when Kishimoto (who is terrible at female development) hasn't even written anywhere in the manga that she is terrible. She's just Tenten. A ninja who has a dream and likes to see the people she cares for succeed. I mean, I don't think she did anything to even deserve any hate in the first place.

She's made enough appearances in the manga and anime to satisfy me. And the facts given in the databook is what helped shaped my views of her. I don't like making stuff up for her. It's not my style. I go with what I got. Kishimoto likes Tenten, I don't see why people should go hating on her, that's all.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 01:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, I don't mind that attitude at all. I mean to each their own. I just hate the bashing with no good reason. Like I'll see people talking bad about her because she gets in the way of their ship, and I'm just like....uhh...please go die now kthnxbai.

And the fact that she's realistic is what attracted me to her character just like I was attracted to characters like Tayuya, Jariah, Sakura (I mean she's a bit like tenten in the way that she doesn't get a background story...she's just there to support Sasuke and Naruto),etc who really don't get a background at all but are still good without all the information. Besides she also got to use a bomb and some other fancy weapons, and since I like when characters use weapons I just found that kickass 8D. <333

And hahaha love the icon.
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[User Picture]From: lunaneko
2005-11-09 05:47 am (UTC)
I don't think Neji or Tenten or even Hinata will get any romance, I'd be more worried about Team 7 pairings - because fans just gonna go KABOOM!!! If Sakura will end up with Sasuke, or Naruto with Sakura, or either of them with somenewcharacterKishimotojustpulledoutofhisass.....
So, yeah, that will be doom, you know it!
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 12:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not really thinking there will be romance there even though I do support a coupling around them. You are right though, I'm more concerned about how Team 7 is gonna end up...especially after meeting up with Sasuke again. That's gonna cause a whole mess of trouble.
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From: tentenchan
2005-11-09 11:12 pm (UTC)
Sadly, there was someone that was spazzing out that they would die if NejiTen became canon in the series and that majorly pissed me off because even if I like the pairing I like other pairings like LeeTen. This person was simply spazzing because they hated Tenten. It was idiotic.

Oh, and I had a question for you :o You sent me this fanart once and I was wondering where you got it.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 11:48 pm (UTC)
That's really a shame. I mean people should be content with the fandoms they support. It shouldn't make you hate a series just because of one couple. I mean if they mutually like eachother there shouldn't even be a cause of concern. Geez >_
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From: linkandluigi
2005-11-10 01:59 am (UTC)
Oooooh...STFU.
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From: tentenchan
2005-11-10 02:06 am (UTC)
I don't have to shut up. I am simply saying that is a petty reason for someone to threaten to leave a fandom because of a pairing.
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From: linkandluigi
2005-11-10 02:24 am (UTC)
And considering it was a total and utter joke, I'd say it's a petty reason to remove someone from your friends list.

And then bring it up later.
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From: deidarachan
2005-11-11 04:40 am (UTC)
At least she had the kindness to publicly announce your flist-removal to the world.

With mine, she was just all "Oh, I removed you? Oh well. *signs off*"
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[User Picture]From: ino_
2005-11-11 04:38 am (UTC)
I have nothing against Tenten, and I don't dislike anyone here nor do I have anything against peoples love for couples. But it wasn't cannon since.. you know it's a filler ark.

:( Fillers = not the manga.
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From: idol
2005-11-09 09:32 am (UTC)
I like Tenten!
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 12:12 pm (UTC)
It's good to know that some people do XD.
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From: tentenchan
2005-11-09 11:10 pm (UTC)
If there is anything I have wanted to say to Tenten-haters, you summed it up right here. Congratulations on making a wonderfully written post about unappreciated character.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-09 11:53 pm (UTC)
Thank you! That means a lot coming from a person like you.
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[User Picture]From: eternal_llama
2005-11-10 02:40 am (UTC)
Folks shoud learn not to take things so seriously.

I respect TenTen. I agree with the poster who said that Kishimoto sucks at writing women. The only female I find compelling is Hinata. The rest I mildly enjoy or am indifferent towards. The only female I can't stand is Sakura.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-10 04:29 pm (UTC)
Some people really take the fun out of anime sometimes. Especially with character bashing. I mean we all have our preferences and I just wish people would learn to respect them. I love Naruto and everything about it...even down to the minor characters. They make the anime/manga enjoyable and I hate it when people ruin it by complaining just because it doesn't go the way they want it -_-;
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[User Picture]From: rianax
2005-11-10 10:09 am (UTC)
Tenten suffers from unfulfilled potiental-- she is cute, motivated, and talented but that is about it. In a cast of dynamic characters, Tenten comes across as more a list of traits than a fully realized character. When other characters like Lee or Ino are introduced you get a instant picture of who they are but less so with Tenten.

I am actually quite fond of Tenten; she is the only one of the girls with an ambition based on impressing a boy and has a rather lethal martial style. Like the other girls, Tenten is overshadowed and underestimated because of the boys (who are freaks by any standards), because she values substance over flash.
Ino is pratically made for espinoge and counterintelligence, Hinata shows real promise in medicine and botany (more so than Sakura ever did), and Sakura is /wasted/ as a Tsunade clone with her natural intelligence being thrown aside for physical power.
Tenten. Tenten was born to be in ANBU, either as a hunter-nin or covert ops. I can not think of a better ability than to hit your marks always for a ninja to have.
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[User Picture]From: eternal_llama
2005-11-10 03:20 pm (UTC)
I like what you've said, rianax.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-10 04:22 pm (UTC)
I totally think you nailed it. I really see her becoming an ANBU. Her skill in weapons would totally lead you to believe that. She's not going to be the one that sticks out like the other males, but it's expected since the other girls don't get equal spot light either (they get more, but not enough where it's eye grabbing or anything). The manga is supposed to be focused on the male aspect anyway.
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[User Picture]From: rianax
2005-11-10 09:52 pm (UTC)
The girl can hit any point with complete and utter accuraccy-- a dang good set of skills to have in a culture that depends on throwing weapons for its martial style.

It was Bullseye only power in Marvel Comics and he was the most feared assassin ever.
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[User Picture]From: splintered_soul
2005-11-10 02:25 pm (UTC)
Based on Tenten, I can neither hate nor like. Her character lacks a depth so I can't really go either way for her. She has neither character development nor a backstory that I can base my thoughts on. But so far from what I've seen, there's no reason to bash her. As far as her fandom, I neither like nor support NejiTenten. But I have a strange fixiation with Leeten and KankurouTen. So who knows.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-10 04:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't write this whole thing so that everyone would convert to a Tenten fan. I just wrote this to get the point across that if you can respect the other ninja for what they are (flaws and all), then there shouldn't really be anyone that disses a character that Kishimoto created.

And...er...I didn't want to go into couplings at all. That wasn't my intention at all for this rant -_-; But yes I feel that all coupling preferences are up to the eyes of the beholder. All well....enough of my ramblings.
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[User Picture]From: eternal_llama
2005-11-10 11:50 pm (UTC)
This thread has made me fall for Tenten.
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[User Picture]From: annwyd
2005-11-12 05:44 am (UTC)
The sheer amount of hate I see in Naruto fandom baffles me (especially on Narutoforums, but ugh, that's another rant entirely). I mean, look at the last few posts in this community. I don't get it. I love the series, and I adore most of the characters. Even the ones I don't love, I don't actually dislike; I'm just not interested in them.

Mind you, I understand why people are pissed off at the fandoms of various characters and pairings. There are few things on the entirety of the intarweb that piss me off as much as the NaruSaku fandom (LOL NARUTO SHOULD GET EVERYTHING HE EVER WANTED AND SCREW WHATEVER SAKURA WANTS BECAUSE SHE'S JUST THE GIRL AND BY THE WAY SASUGAY SUX ANYONE WHO THINKS HE DOESN'T SUCK DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE SERIES). And the Tenten fandom is downright scary sometimes with the way her fangirls project themselves onto her. But reason to hate a character, especially as vehemently as some people do? No. It's just the stupid fandom.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-12 06:19 am (UTC)
I know what you mean about the NaruSaku shippers. They tend to blast a lot of other pairings and characters. I'm a NaruSaku shipper, but I never go that far because at the moment anything can happen with the pairings and yeah that's just gonna lead to another rantish thing so I'll stop.

*raise brow*...maybe I missed something when I started liking Tenten, but I've never seen anything scary from the Tenten fandom *feels like she missed something*. I mean from the places I've been to at least I've seen few members, but even then I don't see them going "OMG TENTEN IS THE GOD OF ALL NINJA BOW BEFORE HER" sorta thing. *shrug*
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[User Picture]From: annwyd
2005-11-12 06:23 am (UTC)
The hardcore Tenten fangirls tend to get into these absurd arguments about Who Is More Of A Tenten Fangirl, to the point where they'll devolve into bashing the other fangirls for "stealing my boyfriend!!!" by which they mean, um, Neji.

It gets really weird.

But I know sane Tenten fangirls too. And I don't have anything against the character. I just get really exasperated with the fandom sometimes.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2005-11-12 06:37 am (UTC)
Oh I see O_o...well I hope I don't meet Tenten fans like that anytime soon....that does sound scary. But I guess every fandom has those type of fans though...I mean that's the type of behavior I see with a lot of Hinata fans...well on Narutofan anyway -_-;
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[User Picture]From: annwyd
2005-11-12 06:47 am (UTC)
I suspect it's a matter of location to a large extent.

Narutofan, I've noticed, is largely dominated by an everpresent war between pissy NaruHina fans and nasty NaruSaku fans; the SasuSaku fans have been beaten into hiding. LJ is saner, but also has its fandom demons, such as the crazy Tenten fangirls I mentioned above.
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[User Picture]From: eternal_llama
2005-11-12 07:54 pm (UTC)
Yes, I've lurked for a bit on the NarutoFan forums and what you've described is what keeps me from posting. I remember a NaruSaku fan getting really pissy with a SasuSaku fan and thinking to myself, "Christ people, this shit ain't real." I'm a fan of neither pairing, but if it's one thing I can't stand it's people who take differences of opinion personally.

Did anyone see how the Harry Potter fandom just exploded with that whole Harry/Hermione vs. Harry/Ginny nonsense? Let's hope the Naruto fandom doesn't get that way.
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[User Picture]From: melisaku
2005-11-24 11:40 pm (UTC)
Did anyone see how the Harry Potter fandom just exploded with that whole Harry/Hermione vs. Harry/Ginny nonsense? Let's hope the Naruto fandom doesn't get that way.

Oh, you SO know it's going to happen. That is, if Kishimoto ever makes a pairing canon. But I doubt the Harmonian shippers versus the Harry/Ginny shippers could ever beat any of the Naruto ship wars.
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[User Picture]From: eternal_llama
2005-11-25 11:49 pm (UTC)
Along with KakaIru, all of my other OTP's are not supported by canon. That's why crack pairings are the best in this fandom: all the fun and none of the rage.

*waves Harry/Luna flag in one hand and Kakashi/Hinata in the other*
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From: adelly_kins
2006-09-05 01:33 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU!

I really don't get why people say Tenten is so useless and weak sometimes. I mean, I'm not under the illusion that she's ZOMG!ACTUALLY-TOTALLY-POWERFUL-AND-CAN-BEAT-ITACHI-WITH-ONE-FINGER or anything, but has anyone considered the fact that she could probably beat Sakura, Ino, or Hinata in a one-on-one fight hands down? During the Chunnin Exams, for example, neither Ino nor Sakura were particularly strong. Sakura, didn't even have anything other than Academy level ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu and Ino had her family's secret jutsu. Neither of which would have been all that effective on Tenten seeing as how she'd beat the crap out of Sakura and Ino wouldn't have been table to catch Tenten in the Mind-Body-Switch and I doubt the hair thing (sorry, I really can't remember jutsu names) would've caught her so Ino would've lost too. And Hinata? Tenten trains with NEJI regularly. I'm sure she can at least hold her own in a fight against a Hyuuga, especially one like Hinata. Yet people constantly say she's useless and weak.

I just...like her. She's sort of the level, balanced one out of all of the kunoichi. I mean Ino's EXTREMELY bossy and Hinata is EXTREMELY shy and don't even get me STARTED on Sakura. But Tenten's just an all round balanced girl who has a dream (like you said, NOT revolving around impressing a guy) and is willing to work hard and help out her friends.
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[User Picture]From: blooming_cosmo
2006-09-05 10:07 pm (UTC)
Haha, wow. I actually reread my post and wish I could redo my analysis as well as change some of the things I've posted in reply to some members about Tenten.

Tenten is definitely not weak or useless. I think people would find it better to understand her if they pay attention to her role on her team. I mean...just like you said, her main point is balance and stability in her team. She's very effective in that sense.

And I really do love all the characters, so to say that one character is weaker and completely useless against another, is a bit ridiculous to me because all of the girls have proved their worth somewhere down the line.

....I'm being cut short, but to summarize my opinion on Tenten. She is important, perhaps not yet developed properly, but still important in order to complete the team dynamics. She keeps up with her team, even now during the time-jump and has grown in power, which in turn has gained the proper recognition from her team about her worth (check databooks). In fact, she even listed Temari and Sakura as her desired opponents in her character bio in the databooks. She definitely needs more screen time, but at the same time deserves a realistic outlook on her character as a whole.
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[User Picture]From: xenylamine
2006-11-09 12:36 pm (UTC)
I agree with you completely! She's amazing and incredibly talented... and just because we don't get that fact forcibly crammed down our throats by events in the manga/anime, a lot of people (stupid ones, eh?) miss it entirely. She can hit the target 100 of 100 times in senbon throwing, and people say she sucks? Please.

Personally, the minor characters are my favorites, and I LOVE Tenten. They're all intricate in their own ways, and perhaps even more fascinating for not knowing anything about them. To me it means that later in the manga Kishimoto is likely to use them in some surprise plot thing.

You know, I think a lot of the so-called 'fans' are almost completely incapable of grasping what's going on beyond the main characters, and they miss things... many things. Chalk it up to stupidity, but it still makes me ill.
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[User Picture]From: xenylamine
2006-11-09 12:39 pm (UTC)
Even though this post is like, from forever ago. But hey, it still stands.
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